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finally let me turn to pakistan. we all acct the long-term stability in afghanistan depends on stability in pakistan. when i met president zadari. like amended the pakistan's security forces in tacklin violent extreme in the northwest of the country but as the prime ministers said the situation in pakistan continues to be serious. there's a danger that the death of osama bin laden which should be welcomed on all sides will not have that effect in pakistan. i asked him there for what steps he has taken for british support of counter-terrorism in pakistan at the heart of our relationship to the pakistan government. we all want to see british troops come home at the earliest opportunity, not least all the families and friends of those who are currently serving in afghanistan. we also want to see the campaign concluded in a way that ensures their service and sacrifice has not been in vain and afghanistan and a wider region moves into a stable future rather than once again posing a serious threat to our security and other
finally let me turn to pakistan. we all acct the long-term stability in afghanistan depends on stability in pakistan. when i met president zadari. like amended the pakistan's security forces in tacklin violent extreme in the northwest of the country but as the prime ministers said the situation in pakistan continues to be serious. there's a danger that the death of osama bin laden which should be welcomed on all sides will not have that effect in pakistan. i asked him there for what steps he...
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and pakistan are getting out that washington is suspending aid money to pakistan third pascal by move for a fact already poisonous relationship between the two countries. into it only when there was a mechanism to do the work to bring justice or. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so sleep you think you understand it and then he's in something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid. i think. one well. we have the government says they're going to keep you safe get ready because you give them their freedom. well there's a few that's growing in the small town of courts arizona see there is a very sharp divisions there between mayor ed foster the city council and the police department in the area of the fighting has finally reached the pinnacle with the city now being put under
and pakistan are getting out that washington is suspending aid money to pakistan third pascal by move for a fact already poisonous relationship between the two countries. into it only when there was a mechanism to do the work to bring justice or. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so sleep you think you...
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and pakistan are heating up again washington is suspending aid money to pakistan three ask how do i move from the fact that already poisonous relationship between the two countries will be right back. into it all their military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice for accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realize that everything you saw you don't charge for the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think. either one well. we have a government says the keep you safe get ready because of their freedom. well there's a few that's growing in the small town of courtside arizona see there's a very sharp divisions there between mayor ed foster the city council and the police department in the area where the fighting has finally reached the pinnacle wit
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pakistan does not want to watch from the sidelines when pakistan says that there should be direct negotiations between the united states and the taliban what it is also saying is that pakistan wants to be at the table also because don't forget most of your viewers know this the leadership of the taliban is not enough get to stand like al qaeda it is in pakistan it cannot operate there independently it has had institutional backing. as i was often accuse of links with the taliban in afghanistan and illegal drug trade the head of russia's federal drug control service victor even after a decade of military failures of the coalition forces in the country aren't helping watch his full interview in around ten minutes time but here's a quick preview. of. september we'll see the tenth anniversary of that interference it's longer than world war two but the situation in afghanistan hasn't improved it's become even worse and even senior officials like general petraeus for example commanding a military operation in afghanistan says that the number of armed clashes there increases year after year in fact t
pakistan does not want to watch from the sidelines when pakistan says that there should be direct negotiations between the united states and the taliban what it is also saying is that pakistan wants to be at the table also because don't forget most of your viewers know this the leadership of the taliban is not enough get to stand like al qaeda it is in pakistan it cannot operate there independently it has had institutional backing. as i was often accuse of links with the taliban in afghanistan...
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yemen somalia parts of north africa and other locations i've always believed pakistan is more central to what have you noticed a change in the guard at the department of defense with robert gates retiring and former cia chief leon panetta getting sworn in signals this change of course to critics i see no difference between between him and robert gates and for afghanistan we now hear a presidential pledge to pull thirty three thousand troops out by september two thousand and twelve fully we're covering the surge i have now at west point well it certainly sounds like what the american people would like to hear for the first time ever a majority want u.s. troops out of afghanistan as soon as possible fifty six percent or thirty nine percent want troops there until the situation is stabilized you can see the trend is really flip flopped but what is the reality of obama's plans for troop withdrawal that thirty three thousand he's calling for is a minority of the one hundred thousand american troops that are there that's not including another forty two thousand some nato troops and ninety t
yemen somalia parts of north africa and other locations i've always believed pakistan is more central to what have you noticed a change in the guard at the department of defense with robert gates retiring and former cia chief leon panetta getting sworn in signals this change of course to critics i see no difference between between him and robert gates and for afghanistan we now hear a presidential pledge to pull thirty three thousand troops out by september two thousand and twelve fully we're...
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haqqani, taliban, dtp of pakistan is a taliban, tnsm of pakistan is taliban. his brother leading, now he's been killed, all of them are not in tandem with each other. in fact, many in afghanistan fight each other. so, therefore, it's not a monolith. so maybe we go back to 1989 where there'll be chaos, confusion and anarchy, everyone fighting each other. pakistan alone, again, fending for itself. so this was why, as i said, an antipathy against the united states. why is there a confidence and trust deficit between the united states and pakistan? which has got exacerbated all along, no trust at all in the last one and a half years, i think, finally leading to the action of osama bin laden which absolutely displays the lack of trust, lack of confidence between the two countries. very briefly, partially maybe it started back in be my time, in 2004 or '5 when i had a, i had a strategy of weaning the pashtun from the taliban, and, therefore, we started by addressing, putting together local jirgas, a tribal meeting of elders. thought we'd hold tribal jirgas and drew
haqqani, taliban, dtp of pakistan is a taliban, tnsm of pakistan is taliban. his brother leading, now he's been killed, all of them are not in tandem with each other. in fact, many in afghanistan fight each other. so, therefore, it's not a monolith. so maybe we go back to 1989 where there'll be chaos, confusion and anarchy, everyone fighting each other. pakistan alone, again, fending for itself. so this was why, as i said, an antipathy against the united states. why is there a confidence and...
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and pakistan are heating up again washington is suspending aid money to pakistan so we're going to ask how that move could affect the already poisonous relationship between the two countries will be right that. the official tee up location. called touch from the dumpster. on the. video. smiling. omissions feet now in the palm of your. machine. oh. well there's a field that's growing in the small town of courtside arizona see there is a very sharp divisions there between mayor ed foster the city council. and the police department in the area of the fighting has finally reached the pinnacle with the city now being put under martial law tensions have been growing ever since the city council raised water and sewage rates a first for the area in over ten years add to that a recent discovery that there had been widespread corruption when it comes to mailing out city paychecks and that gives you the back story but let's give you familiar with some of the players here as i already mentioned it we've got mayor ed foster who's fighting the city council the ones that are responsible for raising r
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policy from the unilateral troublemaking in afghanistan and pakistan to comprehensive regional policy we have shanghai cooperation organization as being the true and reliable partner for the united states instead of nater that who provided the brand new opportunities both for united states pakistan and its neighbors to jumpstart totally new regional security policies that will benefit to all parties concerned. and later we'll bring you the revelations of a military journalist hispanic year in iraq and interviewed thousands of u.s. soldiers that's in a special report coming out about fifteen minutes time here on r.t. . in the spending the year in iraq is knowledge or journalist i saw some of the ways to go and u.s. contractors there is kind of wasting their time trying not to get killed three and . a and. i thought all was willing to do stuff to see about five hundred miles. it would take me about twenty seven days in newton to publicising from people and by the markets i think the whole lead speech was people started the face of a dialogue in sleep just. changing the slogan or when th
policy from the unilateral troublemaking in afghanistan and pakistan to comprehensive regional policy we have shanghai cooperation organization as being the true and reliable partner for the united states instead of nater that who provided the brand new opportunities both for united states pakistan and its neighbors to jumpstart totally new regional security policies that will benefit to all parties concerned. and later we'll bring you the revelations of a military journalist hispanic year in...
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in pakistan. i commended the hard work and sacrifice of the pakistan security forces attacking violent extremism in the northwest of the country. but as the prime minister said in his statement, the situation in pakistan continues to be serious. there is a danger to the british government -- which should be welcomed at all sides. will not have that effect in pakistan. i ask him, therefore, what steps he's taking in putting forth counterterrorism in pakistan at the heart of our relationship with the pakistan government. mr. speaker, we all want to see british troops come home at the earliest opportunity. but we also want to see the campaign concluded in a way that ensures their service and sacrifice has not been in vain. and that afghanistan and the wider region move into a stable future rather than once again hold posing a serious threat to our security and that to other countries around the world. so i welcome today's statement and i thank the prime minister. i will work with him on afghanistan,
in pakistan. i commended the hard work and sacrifice of the pakistan security forces attacking violent extremism in the northwest of the country. but as the prime minister said in his statement, the situation in pakistan continues to be serious. there is a danger to the british government -- which should be welcomed at all sides. will not have that effect in pakistan. i ask him, therefore, what steps he's taking in putting forth counterterrorism in pakistan at the heart of our relationship with...
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half brother of the afghan president karzai have the province a volatile region on the border with pakistan jerry who back in two thousand and eight was held by the taliban for forty five days says the killing leaves washington was no one to rely on when it comes to securing the region. well the cars i was not just the governor or the shadow governor of kandahar he was the most powerful and the most popular person throughout all of southern afghanistan this shows that right now with the canadian troops pulling out and with the us trying to now focus on eastern afghanistan feeling that they have controlled the south there is now a vacuum who is in power who can the west rely upon no one the taliban have claimed responsibility for this but it's not clear that the taliban are responsible it could very easily be a power struggle but i've also heard and others have reported that he was responsible for perhaps starting to bring the taliban together with the united states to negotiate therefore someone would have had a definite reason perhaps pakistan perhaps the taliban to stop this we don't know
half brother of the afghan president karzai have the province a volatile region on the border with pakistan jerry who back in two thousand and eight was held by the taliban for forty five days says the killing leaves washington was no one to rely on when it comes to securing the region. well the cars i was not just the governor or the shadow governor of kandahar he was the most powerful and the most popular person throughout all of southern afghanistan this shows that right now with the...
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unfortunately, we are not seeing across-the-board big three in all locations, nor we seeing pakistan put pressure on them -- a cross-led dashboard victory -- across-the-board- victory in all locations, nor are we seeing pakistan put pressure on them. we're seeing the taliban lose ground in the south. i suspect part of that is contesting areas that the taliban does -- >> thank you for coming in. the worst drought in decades is forcing thousands of families in east africa to walk for days to find refugee camps. the un says some very young children are dying before they ever get there. rain fell for the past three seasons. people are facing dire shortages of food, shelter, and health services. we are in a kenyan refugee camp, the largest of its kind in this world, for this story. >> day after day, mile after mile, they walked and walked. these are the people of the drought. they are escaping from somalia and the civil war. they track vast distances across land where it is no longer -- where it no longer seems to rain. some are sick, like this six- month-old. some will die along the way.
unfortunately, we are not seeing across-the-board big three in all locations, nor we seeing pakistan put pressure on them -- a cross-led dashboard victory -- across-the-board- victory in all locations, nor are we seeing pakistan put pressure on them. we're seeing the taliban lose ground in the south. i suspect part of that is contesting areas that the taliban does -- >> thank you for coming in. the worst drought in decades is forcing thousands of families in east africa to walk for days...
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finally let me turn to pakistan. we all accept the long-term stability in afghanistan depends on stability in pakistan. when i met president zadari. like amended the pakistan's security forces in tackling violent extreme as in the northwest of the country but as the prime ministers said the situation in pakistan continues to be serious. there's a danger that the death of osama bin laden which should be welcomed on all sides will not have that effect in pakistan. i asked him there for what steps he has taken for british support of counter-terrorism in pakistan at the heart of our relationship to the pakistan government. we all want to see british troops come home at the earliest opportunity, not least all the families and friends of those who are currently serving in afghanistan. we also want to see the campaign concluded in a way that ensures their service and sacrifice has not been in vain and afghanistan and a wider region moves into a stable future rather than once again posing a serious threat to our security and
finally let me turn to pakistan. we all accept the long-term stability in afghanistan depends on stability in pakistan. when i met president zadari. like amended the pakistan's security forces in tackling violent extreme as in the northwest of the country but as the prime ministers said the situation in pakistan continues to be serious. there's a danger that the death of osama bin laden which should be welcomed on all sides will not have that effect in pakistan. i asked him there for what steps...
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because then pakistan has to fend for itself. pakistan has to value this. i fear that all intelligence, diplomat, security people go for training to india. despite all my offers all along for free training in pakistan, not one came to pakistan. then of course, internally, pakistan ladies and gentleman has to be against extremism in our society other than terrorism, al qaeda, taliban. extremism in our society. stop the use and promotion of militancy from mosques of pakistan. stop publications, handbills, posters, pamphlets, urging people towards militancy, extremism. ban publications. ben distribution and selling. -- and distribution and selling. turkey has banned all promotion of extremism of terrorism at home and and abroad. lastly, eve of a strategy to mainstream -- evolve a strategy to mainstream the taliban. lastly, on a tactical issue, maybe the pakistan army has been overstretched. the better way of dealing, i personally think, is through a second line reinforcement. we need to equip them with tanks and guns, make them strong enough. because they are
because then pakistan has to fend for itself. pakistan has to value this. i fear that all intelligence, diplomat, security people go for training to india. despite all my offers all along for free training in pakistan, not one came to pakistan. then of course, internally, pakistan ladies and gentleman has to be against extremism in our society other than terrorism, al qaeda, taliban. extremism in our society. stop the use and promotion of militancy from mosques of pakistan. stop publications,...
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pakistan at war with itself. by "washington post" correspondent pamela constable dell ofs into all of this. and joins us now, it is good to you have with us. >> thank you so much. >> woodruff: a provocative title, playing with fire, pakistan at wore with itself. what dow mean by that? >> it mean bes-- many layers of meaning in that. playing with fire in the sense that pakistan has always flirted with dangerous notions. it's always sort of had this nuanced subtle, denied unclear relationship with all these militant groups mostly because they want us to use them as proxies against india which is their long-term adversary but now it has come back to haunt them and many of these same militant islamic groups that they sort of thought they could manage or handle have gotten way out of control and not only moving against afghanistan but in many cases turning against the pakistani state itself. >> you spent a lot of time in the country reporting from there, pam constable. the feeling many ode pakistanies have for the tal
pakistan at war with itself. by "washington post" correspondent pamela constable dell ofs into all of this. and joins us now, it is good to you have with us. >> thank you so much. >> woodruff: a provocative title, playing with fire, pakistan at wore with itself. what dow mean by that? >> it mean bes-- many layers of meaning in that. playing with fire in the sense that pakistan has always flirted with dangerous notions. it's always sort of had this nuanced subtle,...
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there is a route that comes through these areas, coming from pakistan into afghanistan. most of them are used for commerce. and this goes farther into the larger cities. but they also use this to bring in a equipment to tackle the coalition forces. this is the biggest city in the area, with the most local populace. this is a center for trade and commerce in the area. and these provinces where nato has not had much of a presence until quite recently, these are the border provinces that only began getting a large number of troops in the past year. the population is not very friendly to the coalition. so the population will harbor fighters for the taliban, and they will hold weapons for them and are aware of taliban movements. the approach for this province is to target, in a sense, the civilian populations. not with violence, but when they need intelligence -- you have to visit houses. you have to march out to where they are concentrated, to start knocking on doors, demanding to be let in. they will break the door down. but you knock on the door, trying to be as friendly a
there is a route that comes through these areas, coming from pakistan into afghanistan. most of them are used for commerce. and this goes farther into the larger cities. but they also use this to bring in a equipment to tackle the coalition forces. this is the biggest city in the area, with the most local populace. this is a center for trade and commerce in the area. and these provinces where nato has not had much of a presence until quite recently, these are the border provinces that only...
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it will have implications on pakistan. if you quit in 2014, whatever has been declared, obviously the best strategy for the taliban or the enemy, al qaeda and taliban, is to lie low, let time pass, and then rise again. so declaring... giving a timeline, i have always been saying that it ought to be effected, what effects do we want to create? you can't have it time related because then you'll be in the hands of the enemy, i would say. and if you leave in 2014 without stabilizing afghanistan, what will happen then? we need to visualize. >> well, the problem is... the difficulty i think for america is afghanistan hasn't been stable since, i guess, hannibal. (laughter) so the idea that we could stay there... (laughter). they don't appear to want to be stabilized so i mean... i guess the problem is can we really do that? can we do that for a country and is pakistan going to give them the room that they would need to do that or would they perhaps try and have some influence with the taliban adds well? >> well, first of all, i t
it will have implications on pakistan. if you quit in 2014, whatever has been declared, obviously the best strategy for the taliban or the enemy, al qaeda and taliban, is to lie low, let time pass, and then rise again. so declaring... giving a timeline, i have always been saying that it ought to be effected, what effects do we want to create? you can't have it time related because then you'll be in the hands of the enemy, i would say. and if you leave in 2014 without stabilizing afghanistan,...
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of its biggest achievements karzai headed the kandahar province a volatile region on the border with pakistan he was often accused in the media reports of having links to afghanistan's massive illegal drugs trade and what his assassination might mean for the country we are joined live by. a political analyst from kabul good to see you thank you for joining us there was a popular perception of. a major drug kingpin how will that illegal but hugely lucrative business in the country be affected by his death do you think. of course he was blamed. for having. afghanistan and he was believed to be a big corrupt personality into sounds a lot of inside the government as well and he was blamed also to be on. the sea and. he had that close relationship with the american forces and then cut off the shoals into something afghanistan particularly end in kandahar province now i think. smugglers into something afghanistan. lost one of the. key man in one. party in. afghanistan but i think. here's a situation where not a huge negative effect on draco control particularly among those people who are willing to
of its biggest achievements karzai headed the kandahar province a volatile region on the border with pakistan he was often accused in the media reports of having links to afghanistan's massive illegal drugs trade and what his assassination might mean for the country we are joined live by. a political analyst from kabul good to see you thank you for joining us there was a popular perception of. a major drug kingpin how will that illegal but hugely lucrative business in the country be affected by...
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/pakistan relations. on behalf of the wefpg and our board members who are present tonight, dawn, gayle, donna and teresa, i want to welcome everybody here. we're so glad that you could join us for this behind-the-headlines event. these are events on hot issues in the news, and recently we've done events on egypt, libya, women in the middle east, um, and our event tonight is with ambassador husain haqqani, the pakistani ambassador to the who will be joined by our friend and frequent speaker and moderator, washington post's senior national security correspondent karen deyoung. for a conversation on u.s./pakistan relations. the event could not be more timely, as we all know, given the increased tensions in the relationship between the two countries following the killing of osama bin laden. we're so pleased to have the ambassador with us tonight to explore the complexities and the importance of this relationship and extremely lucky to have karen back. i want to recognize a few guests who are here with us toni
/pakistan relations. on behalf of the wefpg and our board members who are present tonight, dawn, gayle, donna and teresa, i want to welcome everybody here. we're so glad that you could join us for this behind-the-headlines event. these are events on hot issues in the news, and recently we've done events on egypt, libya, women in the middle east, um, and our event tonight is with ambassador husain haqqani, the pakistani ambassador to the who will be joined by our friend and frequent speaker and...
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military advisers the west pakistan relationships but. since some of bin laden's killing and u.s. drone attacks that killed civilians the white house says islam about is an important ally in the war on terror but that the relationship quote must be worked on over time journalist or a she told me the business is going to be tough to fix i don't think we're seeing any signs that the u.s. officials are really sincere about the relationship. as a relationship between two independents over there would like to work together ten years ago. it was really very hard to find a clean clean shaven pakistan you criticize in the united states it was it was taken for granted if you're criticizing the u.s. you must be some radical extremist but today you have people from the upper classes of pakistan be really lead and very very critical of the united states so i think there's something really wrong and i think very a huge responsibility also on the of the u.s. media to convey the right it sure to the american public media which is unfortunately they're not doing very much toeing the whatever. lin
military advisers the west pakistan relationships but. since some of bin laden's killing and u.s. drone attacks that killed civilians the white house says islam about is an important ally in the war on terror but that the relationship quote must be worked on over time journalist or a she told me the business is going to be tough to fix i don't think we're seeing any signs that the u.s. officials are really sincere about the relationship. as a relationship between two independents over there...
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pakistan has urged the u.s. to shut down and leave an air base in the country southwest the facility has served as a launching pad for washington's drone attacks against militants on the volatile afghan border pakistani political analyst made it great she thinks the only way to stop the violence is to end the war on terror. one of the main reasons for the for the continuation of violent activity on the pakistan of gonna stand border is the mess that the us military has created inside of coniston over the past decade the mass there the way they have alienated a large portion segment of the afghan population in terms of the push to try to the way they have conducted the war on terror there the way they have alienated a large pockets really of the country is a big reason for why we have a continuation of violence in afghanistan and how that violence is spilling over into pakistan and most pakistani commentators believe now that one of the ways short short cuts really to controlling violence and extremism on the pak
pakistan has urged the u.s. to shut down and leave an air base in the country southwest the facility has served as a launching pad for washington's drone attacks against militants on the volatile afghan border pakistani political analyst made it great she thinks the only way to stop the violence is to end the war on terror. one of the main reasons for the for the continuation of violent activity on the pakistan of gonna stand border is the mess that the us military has created inside of...
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drone attacks in pakistan wants a virus a lawsuit a former cia legal chief for approving attacks that killed hundreds of innocent. emergency workers have recovered more bodies from the russian pleasure boat that sank in the volga river two weeks ago killing more than one hundred twenty the wrecked ship has now been lifted from the bottom and shallow waters of the task is now to pump water from the hole so investigators can examine the vessel to determine the cause of the tragedy the search continues for the bodies of the last two missing victims which could still be trapped inside the bulgarian went down within minutes of drowning more than half of its two hundred passengers the boat's owner is under investigation and two people have already been charged with violating safety regulations. a sigh of relief after long talks e.u. leaders are finally agreed on how to help the country avoid defaulting on its debt athens will now receive a new bailout worth an estimated one hundred and nine billion euros the plan also involves lowering interest rates and extending the period in which i must
drone attacks in pakistan wants a virus a lawsuit a former cia legal chief for approving attacks that killed hundreds of innocent. emergency workers have recovered more bodies from the russian pleasure boat that sank in the volga river two weeks ago killing more than one hundred twenty the wrecked ship has now been lifted from the bottom and shallow waters of the task is now to pump water from the hole so investigators can examine the vessel to determine the cause of the tragedy the search...
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is not in a war in pakistan the u.s. it is operating extra legally by carrying out these drone strikes in pakistan in yemen and somalia and in terms of it being disproportionate you know we have numbers coming out of pakistan that indicate that you know for every one suspected militants being killed one hundred forty innocent civilians are dying as a result of these strikes and so if those numbers are correct you know we have people on the ground who are gathering the information who are doing the investigation to try to collect the information so that we can bring a more transparent a more honest picture to the public about what's happening in pakistan. earlier we talked to a man who reached out beyond earth's atmosphere and became one of the select few ever to walk on the phone that's after a recap of the week's top stories coming to you in just a few moments. for the full story we've got. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers. bringing you the latest in science and technology from a. b
is not in a war in pakistan the u.s. it is operating extra legally by carrying out these drone strikes in pakistan in yemen and somalia and in terms of it being disproportionate you know we have numbers coming out of pakistan that indicate that you know for every one suspected militants being killed one hundred forty innocent civilians are dying as a result of these strikes and so if those numbers are correct you know we have people on the ground who are gathering the information who are doing...